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Joyce Apr-04-01, 00:21 AM (EST)

"Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"

I am painting my worn kitchen cabinets. I have cleaned and sanded them.I want to use oil based products for the durability. My plan was to do a faux(ragging on or off)technique on the flat surface inside the cabinet doors and a partial area of crackle technique on the corners edges. The crackle will be on the molding. The base coat will be either a subdue white(kitten white) or a bone white. The glaze will be tinted with the raw or burnt umber(Ithink) and underneath the crackle I want to have a pewter tone(my hardware is pewter colored). My kitchen counter tops are a medium taupe/peach colored, and my floor is a sponged effect of light/med taupe. Which glaze color would you suggest? I have not picked the color of my walls yet. I would like to do some of my other rooms in gold, dk. blue, and burnt orange. I do have alittle dk. blue in my canisters. I have paneling with a chair rail also.Do you have a wall/ceiling color suggestion?I have been told that crackle only comes in latex type form,except the laquer crackle. Will I be able to put the oil based primer,paint,and glaze with the laquer crackle? Do you have any experience with the laquer crackle? Will the oil based glaze be durable enough for kitcen cabinets without a polyurethane or varnish coating?Thanks.

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RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Bill, Apr-04-01, (1)
RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Joyce, Apr-04-01, (2)
RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Jared, Apr-04-01, (3)
RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Bill, Apr-05-01, (4)
RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Jared, Apr-05-01, (5)
RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux tec..., Bill, Apr-05-01, (6)

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Bill Apr-04-01, 07:27 AM (EST)

1. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"

Joyce,
Can't offer you much here on color except perhaps your glaze over the white. Try to find out what is used as colorant in the white and key your glaze from that.IMO the raw umber is the better choice.
Sounds like your prep and schedule is OK. For a really nice job think about two coats of your off white finish.
On the crackle, I would paint everything with the off white first and jumping around here a bit I would topcoat everything with poly on kitchen cabinets.
Crackle lacquer is designed to be sprayed.Also it is recommended to go over gloss lacquer.It dries and cracks in seconds and it not easy to use. It can be brushed but the resulting finish is not refined or subtle.It can be retarded with a special retarder.It is also toxic and highly flammable.Another bad thing is that it is a hot solvent base and will lift freshly applied alkyd paint.
Let me suggest this...Apply your white on everything and do the same with your glaze and just wipe off the glaze in the areas you want to crackle. Let it all dry a couple of days.
Lightly sand the molding with a Scotchbrite pad and for your pewter color use artists acrylic.Do your crackling over that with a waterbourne crackle medium and another waterbourne topcoat. I don't know what is supposed to show through what so I can't offer any advice on that.
Let everything dry down again and topcoat everythng with the clear poly. I would suggest using the alkyd.
Crackle mediums can be manipulated just like paint. They can be double and triple coated and caused to crack at various rates and depths for a more uneven effect just like an antiquing glaze can be or should be used to effect a worn look.Another method is to use a heatgun or a hair dryer to speed up drying in selected areas with single pass coating.

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Joyce Apr-04-01, 10:04 AM (EST)

2. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"

Thank you for you quick response, Bill. I appreciate your expertise and suggestions. A couple more questions. You have suggested using a water bourne crackle medium over the pewter color, followed by a water bourne topcoat. I had wanted the topcoat over the crackle to be the same color as the basecoat of the ragged technique. The basecoat is an oil based paint. Do I need to buy a waterbased paint in the same color for the crackle topcoat? Also, will it work to apply an alkyd poly over the entire piece, after a waterbourne topcoat is applied to the crackled area?

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Jared Apr-04-01, 01:43 PM (EST)

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make sure you give products a fair amount of drying
crackle is easier to remove in the future if you put the crackle on the flat surface inside the trim
I don't know about the alkyd poly over water crackle med. ---extreme yellowing,hazing.
read the directions
a good coat of gloss poly followed by a low luster coat has worked for me in the past and still holding up

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Bill Apr-05-01, 08:42 AM (EST)

4. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"

J,
Yes, you can topcoat the acrylic with alkyd poly.I would let it cure for a couple of days just as an insurance policy. Sorry about the confusion.
An effect of depth can be created by a first topcoat of gloss followed by a final coat of a lesser gloss.Alkyd polys can be thinned for quick application up to around 20% If you are brushing it, buy yourself a new quality oxhair or china brush for ease of application and a really smooth finish. I would use a 3.5 to 4" angle cutter.

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Jared Apr-05-01, 01:57 PM (EST)

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Bill
what about where the crackle med is still exposed...........i had wierd things going on in the past

oxhiar.....now this is a nice brush

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Bill Apr-05-01, 04:39 PM (EST)

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J,
Was it a specific medium you were using? With an alkyd it should not be a problem..??
Those Purdy oxhairs are really nice. I used to have a connection for seconds now they send them overseas someplace. Drat! Great for things like Satin Impervo too.

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Joyce	Apr-04-01, 00:21 AM (EST)
"Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
I am painting my worn kitchen cabinets. I have cleaned and sanded them.I want to use oil based products for the durability. My plan was to do a faux(ragging on or off)technique on the flat surface inside the cabinet doors and a partial area of crackle technique on the corners edges. The crackle will be on the molding. The base coat will be either a subdue white(kitten white) or a bone white. The glaze will be tinted with the raw or burnt umber(Ithink) and underneath the crackle I want to have a pewter tone(my hardware is pewter colored). My kitchen counter tops are a medium taupe/peach colored, and my floor is a sponged effect of light/med taupe. Which glaze color would you suggest? I have not picked the color of my walls yet. I would like to do some of my other rooms in gold, dk. blue, and burnt orange. I do have alittle dk. blue in my canisters. I have paneling with a chair rail also.Do you have a wall/ceiling color suggestion?I have been told that crackle only comes in latex type form,except the laquer crackle. Will I be able to put the oil based primer,paint,and glaze with the laquer crackle? Do you have any experience with the laquer crackle? Will the oil based glaze be durable enough for kitcen cabinets without a polyurethane or varnish coating?Thanks.
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Bill	Apr-04-01, 07:27 AM (EST)
1. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
Joyce, Can't offer you much here on color except perhaps your glaze over the white. Try to find out what is used as colorant in the white and key your glaze from that.IMO the raw umber is the better choice. Sounds like your prep and schedule is OK. For a really nice job think about two coats of your off white finish. On the crackle, I would paint everything with the off white first and jumping around here a bit I would topcoat everything with poly on kitchen cabinets. Crackle lacquer is designed to be sprayed.Also it is recommended to go over gloss lacquer.It dries and cracks in seconds and it not easy to use. It can be brushed but the resulting finish is not refined or subtle.It can be retarded with a special retarder.It is also toxic and highly flammable.Another bad thing is that it is a hot solvent base and will lift freshly applied alkyd paint. Let me suggest this...Apply your white on everything and do the same with your glaze and just wipe off the glaze in the areas you want to crackle. Let it all dry a couple of days. Lightly sand the molding with a Scotchbrite pad and for your pewter color use artists acrylic.Do your crackling over that with a waterbourne crackle medium and another waterbourne topcoat. I don't know what is supposed to show through what so I can't offer any advice on that. Let everything dry down again and topcoat everythng with the clear poly. I would suggest using the alkyd. Crackle mediums can be manipulated just like paint. They can be double and triple coated and caused to crack at various rates and depths for a more uneven effect just like an antiquing glaze can be or should be used to effect a worn look.Another method is to use a heatgun or a hair dryer to speed up drying in selected areas with single pass coating.
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	Joyce	Apr-04-01, 10:04 AM (EST)
	2. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
	Thank you for you quick response, Bill. I appreciate your expertise and suggestions. A couple more questions. You have suggested using a water bourne crackle medium over the pewter color, followed by a water bourne topcoat. I had wanted the topcoat over the crackle to be the same color as the basecoat of the ragged technique. The basecoat is an oil based paint. Do I need to buy a waterbased paint in the same color for the crackle topcoat? Also, will it work to apply an alkyd poly over the entire piece, after a waterbourne topcoat is applied to the crackled area?
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	Jared	Apr-04-01, 01:43 PM (EST)
	3. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
	make sure you give products a fair amount of drying crackle is easier to remove in the future if you put the crackle on the flat surface inside the trim I don't know about the alkyd poly over water crackle med. ---extreme yellowing,hazing. read the directions a good coat of gloss poly followed by a low luster coat has worked for me in the past and still holding up
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	Bill	Apr-05-01, 08:42 AM (EST)
	4. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
	J, Yes, you can topcoat the acrylic with alkyd poly.I would let it cure for a couple of days just as an insurance policy. Sorry about the confusion. An effect of depth can be created by a first topcoat of gloss followed by a final coat of a lesser gloss.Alkyd polys can be thinned for quick application up to around 20% If you are brushing it, buy yourself a new quality oxhair or china brush for ease of application and a really smooth finish. I would use a 3.5 to 4" angle cutter.
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	Jared	Apr-05-01, 01:57 PM (EST)
	5. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
	Bill what about where the crackle med is still exposed...........i had wierd things going on in the past oxhiar.....now this is a nice brush
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	Bill	Apr-05-01, 04:39 PM (EST)
	6. "RE: Kitchen cabinets-alkyd faux technique and crackle"
	J, Was it a specific medium you were using? With an alkyd it should not be a problem..?? Those Purdy oxhairs are really nice. I used to have a connection for seconds now they send them overseas someplace. Drat! Great for things like Satin Impervo too.
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