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sarahjsnow Nov-30-00, 11:40 AM (EST)

"painting over wallpaper"

Can someone please tell me if you can apply a texture over existing wallpaper and then faux or do you have to remove the wallpaper first? Thanks

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RE: painting over wallpaper, Megan, Nov-30-00, (1)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Castles In The Air, Nov-30-00, (2)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Rob, Dec-01-00, (3)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Heidi - Faux Academy, Dec-01-00, (4)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Sarah, Dec-01-00, (6)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Kent, Dec-01-00, (10)
RE: painting over wallpaper, sarah, Dec-01-00, (12)
RE: painting over wallpaper, From Hell, Dec-02-00, (21)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Becky, Dec-01-00, (13)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Megan, Dec-02-00, (17)
RE: painting over wallpaper, From Hell, Dec-02-00, (25)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Luisa, Dec-01-00, (15)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Luisa, Dec-02-00, (18)
RE: painting over wallpaper, From Hell, Dec-02-00, (22)
RE: painting over wallpaper, From Hell, Dec-02-00, (23)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Heidi - Faux Academy, Dec-01-00, (5)
RE: painting over wallpaper, AmyC, Dec-01-00, (7)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Hsurb, Dec-01-00, (8)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Marla, Dec-01-00, (9)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Megan, Dec-01-00, (11)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Castles In The Air, Dec-02-00, (19)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Castles In The Air, Dec-02-00, (20)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Sarah, Dec-02-00, (30)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Hi Sarah, Dec-02-00, (32)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Sarah, Dec-02-00, (31)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Castles In The Air, Dec-02-00, (36)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Frpm Hell, Dec-02-00, (27)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Don C., Dec-02-00, (28)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Meg, Dec-02-00, (29)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Kent, Dec-02-00, (33)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Megan, Dec-02-00, (35)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Bill, Dec-02-00, (37)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Don C., Dec-02-00, (40)
RE: painting over wallpaper, Fauxnatic , Dec-02-00, (39)
RE: painting over wallpaper, rtcfrtc, Dec-02-00, (41)
RE: painting over wallpaper, rtcfrtc (part 2), Dec-02-00, (42)

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Megan Nov-30-00, 03:30 PM (EST)

1. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I am not sure about the idea of texturing over wall paper but basicly I personally would advise not to paint over it, but someone might have a better opinion on the texturing over it. I know it is a lot of work but it is worth removing. Are you doing a rather rough texture or a fine one, if fine - then I would say to probably strip it! Good luck!

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Castles In The Air Nov-30-00, 11:38 PM (EST)

2. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hey I agree with Megan, You should get as much paper off as possible. I have actully used Joint Compound to remove paper before...of course the first time was an accident
Linda

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Rob Dec-01-00, 02:17 AM (EST)

3. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Ok, here is my reason why you should take off the wallpaper. If you apply joint compound to the paper to achive a texture the moisture from the joint compound will soak through the wallpaper and loosen the bond and it may (probably will) start to fall off. To do this correctly here is what I would do:
1. Score the wall paper with a Tiger Paw (MENARDS or HOME DEPOT)
2. Put 1 cup of Downey (yes fabric softener) and boiling hot water together in a 1 gallon garden sprayer.
3. Spray wallpaper allow to soak 5-10 minutes, then spray it one more time.
4. Using a 8" drywall knife gently remove the paper (very easy to come off now), then when all is removed using a household sponge wipe the walls to remove any eccess glue.
5. Skim coat any divits you may have created and then do the texture that you want.
This sounds like a lot of work but really it isnt hardly any. I charge $.25 a sq. ft. to remove wallpaper (no one ever says NO to that price).
I hope this helps, it should only take 1 hour to do 250 sq. ft. and even less time once it is started.
Good luck and if you need more info, e-mail me.
Rob

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Heidi - Faux Academy Dec-01-00, 07:14 AM (EST)

4. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>Can someone please tell me if
>you can apply a texture
>over existing wallpaper and then
>faux or do you have
>to remove the wallpaper first?
> Thanks
Good morning,
yes, you can do it. I have done it many times. I would suggest however to do it only if you intend to apply texture, not regular faux finishes due to the seams.
I prime with an oil base primer ( that's the key)
then you apply your texture.
Hope this helps
Regards
Heidi

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Sarah Dec-01-00, 12:36 PM (EST)

6. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Thanks to everyone, your comments were very helpful but of course I liked Hiedi's the best because that is what I wanted to do in the first place but I am not for sure about the oil based primer. You put this on top of the wallpaper before you apply the texture? Where do I get it and what will it do for the texture? Thanks!

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Kent Dec-01-00, 05:21 PM (EST)

10. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Sarah,
be careful you might end up in hell with me, heide, christopher lowell, people from do it yourself, window and walls, kitchen and bath, etc. etc. Did I forget someone?
Basically you do remove wallpaper. But in your case there is no need, because if I understand correctly, you are not going to "paint over" it but you are applying a texture. If you would want to get rid of the texture at some time you will have to skimcoat, regardless if you have wallpaper underneath or not.
I am wondering why people go through the effort to underlay with paper, follow with joint compound and call this particular finish "whatever" and it's then promoted like it's the best thing since "wonderbread".
To strip or not to strip? That is the question.
You all take care in Heaven.
Kent

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sarah Dec-01-00, 09:32 PM (EST)

12. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Kent
Thanks for the input. This is what I want to do.
Apply joint compound in a heavy pattern over existing wallpaper and then faux with a glaze and ragging method on top of the texture. My client needs this done to his office and I only have a few days to get it all done that is why removing the existing wallpaper isn't an option due to the time factor. These are two small exam rooms I am talking about not a real big area.

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From Hell Dec-02-00, 10:08 AM (EST)

21. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>Hi Kent
>
>Thanks for the input. This
>is what I want to
>do.
>Apply joint compound in a heavy
>pattern over existing wallpaper and
>then faux with a glaze
>and ragging method on top
>of the texture. My
>client needs this done to
>his office and I only
>have a few days to
>get it all done that
>is why removing the existing
>wallpaper isn't an option due
>to the time factor.
>These are two small exam
>rooms I am talking about
>not a real big area.
>
Hi Sarah
FYIBill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes.
2. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad.
Thanks again for any help,
Joy

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Becky Dec-01-00, 10:20 PM (EST)

13. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>Thanks to everyone, your comments were
>very helpful but of course
>I liked Hiedi's the best
>because that is what I
>wanted to do in the
>first place but I am
>not for sure about the
>oil based primer. You
>put this on top of
>the wallpaper before you apply
>the texture? Where do
>I get it and what
>will it do for the
>texture? Thanks!
Sarah,
go ahead and do it. There are some techniques which are a bit laborious to apply. Some of us tear brown Paperbags and paste it on to the wall. Sometimes we use tissue paper( it's called Elephant skin) and it's taught be many schools and it looks great and fabulous.After the paper is dry you prime. Then you paint, glaze, rub, stain, crackle, it's your choice. I don't know if it makes a difference who says what but it sure sounds like it.
Pat Niehaus, also called the Wall doctor, demonstrated these techniques on Christopher Lowell shows and a few years ago at the PDRA trade show. FYI this is the Paint and Decorator Retail Association, www.pdra.org. You also can read up on one of these techniques in Gary Lord's book. I think it's the brown paper bag method.The Tissue paper method you can learn in Debbie Travis' book. If you are member of Sali, both techniques were explained in several of their magazines.
Either these people don't know what they are talking about or maybe we have a personal vendetta against Heidi.
If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you speak. Better yet don't speak at all.
If anyone is primitive I would vote for you. You are impertinent or at least habitual critics who assume they "know it all"

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Megan Dec-02-00, 00:18 AM (EST)

17. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I am not sure if the people posting on this board have a "i am right, you are wrong attitude" or if they simply value their name in the business. If a customer tells you they want the wall paper left on, aren't willing to pay to have it removed, and don't have the time for it to removed, and then come a couple of months down the road - the paper starts to peel or the texture starts to crack, I suspect you will be the one at fault. They will not go around telling everyone that they were the ones who didn't want it taken down, that they were to cheap to have it removed or just didn't "have the time". More likely they will just say you did a crappy job. In fact people usually hire a professional because they feel they have a level of experience that the average person may not have in a particular subject. And if you stand behind your name you don't get involved with people who don't want it done the right way, all it does is ruin a name that you probably have spent a lot of time and money building up. Heres a marketing fact - for every one disatisfied customer you have - they tell five more, those five tell five more and so on and so on. Most people that are willing to pay to have a job done are also wanting it done right. My advise in time restraints - explain why you need another day to do it "right" There are a million fly by night companies willing to do anything for the almighty buck, set yourself apart.
In the case of the job which started this debate, I don't know the size of your job but stripping wallpaper won't add a whole lot of time, I would say you probably wouldn't even have to concern yourself with full removal of the glue as if you were simply repainting the surface and needed a smooth surface.
Set yourself apart from the masses and you will profit in the long run!

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From Hell Dec-02-00, 10:15 AM (EST)

25. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>> If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I
>> suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you
>� speak. Better yet don't speak
>at all.
>
>> Either these people don't know what they are talking about or maybe we have a
>� personal vendetta against Heidi.
>
>We don�t know "what we�re
>talking about" .
>
>
>> suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you
>� speak. Better yet don't speak
>at all.
>
>OK. "Becky" we�ll make a
>room for your TV experience.
>Advice us more often. Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes.
2. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad.
Thanks again for any help,
Joy

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Luisa Dec-01-00, 11:05 PM (EST)

15. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I am glad that Becky is brave enough to stand up to the narrow minded individuals who have an "I am right you are wrong" mentallity. Each situation is different and the timing restrictions, budget, condition of walls, condition of wallpaper, etc, can have a big part in deciding which way to go. The right way may not always be the most convenient way and just like some people like to use gasoline (a potentially lethal substance) to extend the open time of glaze, some of us may choose to leave the wallpaper on and texture on top. It's a matter of choice and it may not be our preferance but we adjust accordingly. Here is my opinion, if the wallpaper is hung well and it is not peeling and the walls aren't suffering from moisture damage or mildew, and you don't have the time, then go for it but make sure you let your client know about all of the options and the possible consequences should he decide to go full steam ahead without stripping the wallpaper first.

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Luisa Dec-02-00, 00:32 AM (EST)

18. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Brush!� What� a pleasure to hear from you again!� What a coincidence that we should be posting in such a harmoniously synchronized fashion.� Too bad we don't ever seem to agree.� It's good to have you back though.

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From Hell Dec-02-00, 10:09 AM (EST)

22. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>>Can someone please tell me if
>>you can apply a texture
>>over existing wallpaper and then
>>faux or do you have
>>to remove the wallpaper first?
>> Thanks
>
>Good morning,
>
>yes, you can do it. I
>have done it many times.
>I would suggest however to
>do it only if you
>intend to apply texture, not
>regular faux finishes due to
>the seams.
>
>I prime with an oil base
>primer ( that's the key)
>
>then you apply your texture.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Regards
>
>Heidi
Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes.
2. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad.
Thanks again for any help,
Joy

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From Hell Dec-02-00, 10:12 AM (EST)

23. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>>Can someone please tell me if
>>you can apply a texture
>>over existing wallpaper and then
>>faux or do you have
>>to remove the wallpaper first?
>> Thanks
>
>Good morning,
>
>yes, you can do it. I
>have done it many times.
>I would suggest however to
>do it only if you
>intend to apply texture, not
>regular faux finishes due to
>the seams.
>
>I prime with an oil base
>primer ( that's the key)
>
>then you apply your texture.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Regards
>
>Heidi

Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes.
2. "RE: Wallpaper !!"
I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad.
Thanks again for any help,
Joy

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Heidi - Faux Academy Dec-01-00, 07:15 AM (EST)

5. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>Can someone please tell me if
>you can apply a texture
>over existing wallpaper and then
>faux or do you have
>to remove the wallpaper first?
> Thanks
Good morning,
yes, you can do it. I have done it many times. I would suggest however to do it only if you intend to apply texture, not regular faux finishes due to the seams.
I prime with an oil base primer ( that's the key)
then you apply your texture.
Hope this helps
Regards
Heidi

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AmyC Dec-01-00, 02:09 PM (EST)

7. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

My brother (who has spent the past 20 years renovating a badly-remuddled 200-year-old farmhouse) says, "There's a special place in hell reserved for people who paint over wallpaper." You may be able to get the look you want, but if you, or someone else, wants to change it down the road and do away with the texture, they're going to have a devil of a time stripping the paper once it's been primed and skim-coated.
Thanks, Rob, for the fabric softener tip! I've used a Paper Tiger and hot water and vinegar, but I'd want to get more than $.25/sq.ft.!

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Hsurb Dec-01-00, 03:29 PM (EST)

8. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Amy,I totally agree with you. Painting over the wall paper
should be considered as a "crime against humanity"
At least once a week I am in contact with jobs that were
done in order to make a fast buck at the cost of the next
person that is going to work over the same area.
Painting over the wall paper I consider as one of the
most primitive and selfish way to tackle the job.
Rob I would like to compliment you on your
intelligent and informative message.

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Marla Dec-01-00, 04:52 PM (EST)

9. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I'm tackling the same type of project. However, the existing wallpaper was installed without priming the new dry wall (ick!). Will removing the wallpaper (my preference) ruin the drywall since the surface was not properly prepared? Or can I use Rob's method?
Marla

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Megan Dec-01-00, 07:24 PM (EST)

11. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

First read through the last couple of pages in this message board and you will already find a section on stripping wall paper on walls that were not primed. Second - keep this in mind - you get out of life, what you put into it. I guess this applys to walls also. You cant start with ground chuck and expect it to taste like filet mignon, get what I am going for. If you want a great finish you usually have to do something to get it! I really feel you should strip the paper and start fresh. For 25 cents a square foot you should just hire a professional. Unless you live near me 'cause I charge a hell of a lot more then that!!! Grunt work = $$$$$$

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Castles In The Air Dec-02-00, 02:36 AM (EST)

19. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Settle Down Now... first for the record I was the second person to answer the the post, before Hiedi (I am not a member of any I am right or you are wrong group).
Now for the most important thing.
Sarah, what kind of wallpaper are you wanting to texture over...String, solid vinyl, fabric, paper back???? Everybody has given solid advice, In the future it will be holy heck to remove, but that could be forever down the road, your time and money is a big factor, you can prime and texture and hope for the best. Oil base primer would be the way to go for this. Just beware of what could happen and the most important thing is, assure your customer you can fix it. Linda

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Castles In The Air Dec-02-00, 03:33 AM (EST)

20. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hey again, I forgot to answer the questions above about the primer. You can get it at Home Depot, Kilz is the best..you apply it over the paper like paint. It will not effect your texture it is just a barrier to seal the paper from the dampness of the joint compound that could soak through the paper and cause it to bubble and peel of the wall. Linda

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Sarah Dec-02-00, 01:55 PM (EST)

30. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Linda, You have been most helpful and I appreciate it. Boy did I ever open up a can of worms with this one. I never intended such a heated debate. I have taken all replies seriously but my situation isn't as intense. The client is my husband who is a General Surgeon. His new office needs some quick work before he moves in next week. The wallpaper in his exam room isn't fabric or string so I assume it is paper backed. Even though he is paying me to do this, I don't think he will be too upset if it doesn't work so I am going to try the Kiltz and the texture. I will let everyone know how it works. Thanks to all and now maybe we can move out of this topic and help someone else.
Merry Christmas. Sarah.

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Hi Sarah Dec-02-00, 02:13 PM (EST)

32. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Sarah LOL...Can of worms was going to be the title of my last post. I tried emailing you last night but it was returned. Please email me Thanks Linda

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Sarah Dec-02-00, 01:58 PM (EST)

31. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Hi Linda, You have been most helpful and I appreciate it. Boy did I ever open up a can of worms with this one. I never intended such a heated debate. I have taken all replies seriously but my situation isn't as intense. The client is my husband who is a General Surgeon. His new office needs some quick work before he moves in next week. The wallpaper in his exam room isn't fabric or string so I assume it is paper backed. Even though he is paying me to do this, I don't think he will be too upset if it doesn't work so I am going to try the Kiltz and the texture. I will let everyone know how it works. Thanks to all and now maybe we can move out of this topic and on to something new to help someone else. Merry Christmas to all. Sarah
Merry Christmas. Sarah.

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Castles In The Air Dec-02-00, 03:35 PM (EST)

36. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Marla, go ahead and remove the paper like Rob suggested (you can also buy a pre mixed wallpaper remover like Dif it is the best) but fabric softener does smell April fresh. however you are going to probably have bad spots where the top layer of the wallboard is going to peel off due to the previous wall prep. Since you are going to texture this is not that big of a problem. You need to spot prime these spots with Kilz or something simular before you texture. Anyone interested in simple texturing examples can see some here. Linda http://community-2.webtv.net/CastlesInTheAir/FauxFossilRock/

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Frpm Hell Dec-02-00, 11:58 AM (EST)

27. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>My brother (who has spent the
>past 20 years renovating a
>badly-remuddled 200-year-old farmhouse) says, "There's
>a special place in hell
>reserved for people who paint
>over wallpaper." You may be
>able to get the look
>you want, but if you,
>or someone else, wants to
>change it down the road
>and do away with the
>texture, they're going to have
>a devil of a time
>stripping the paper once it's
>been primed and skim-coated.
>
>Thanks, Rob, for the fabric softener
>tip! I've used a Paper
>Tiger and hot water and
>vinegar, but I'd want to
>get more than $.25/sq.ft.!
QUESTION:
Have you not read the message?
Sarah is going to apply a HEAVY TEXTURE, so it would have to be skimcoated again if she ever decided to get rid of the texture. In the Middle ages the masters even applied in some cases paper to have an additional support.We we seem to Know it all even so we had to learn from the old masters, who came from where.....
Conclusion:
If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you speak. Better yet don't speak at all.
If anyone is primitive I would vote for you. You are impertinent or at least habitual critics who assume they "know it all"

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Don C. Dec-02-00, 12:10 PM (EST)

28. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

frpm hell,
I have come across refences to the use of paper in the past, but it was always applied over the plaster. Battened canvas has been used between the brown and finish coats. What you are suggesting is new to me, and I would like to know more. Can you provide more info?? Thanks. Don C.

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Meg Dec-02-00, 12:14 PM (EST)

29. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I am not sure if the people posting on this board have a "i am right, you are wrong attitude" or if they simply value their name in the business. If a customer tells you they want the wall paper left on, aren't willing to pay to have it removed, and don't have the time for it to removed, and then come a couple of months down the road - the paper starts to peel or the texture starts to crack, I suspect you will be the one at fault. They will not go around telling everyone that they were the ones who didn't want it taken down, that they were to cheap to have it removed or just didn't "have the time". More likely they will just say you did a crappy job. In fact people usually hire a professional because they feel they have a level of experience that the average person may not have in a particular subject. And if you stand behind your name you don't get involved with people who don't want it done the right way, all it does is ruin a name that you probably have spent a lot of time and money building up. Heres a marketing fact - for every one disatisfied customer you have - they tell five more, those five tell five more and so on and so on. Most people that are willing to pay to have a job done are also wanting it done right. My advise in time restraints - explain why you need another day to do it "right" There are a million fly by night companies willing to do anything for the almighty buck, set yourself apart.
In the case of the job which started this debate, I don't know the size of your job but stripping wallpaper won't add a whole lot of time, I would say you probably wouldn't even have to concern yourself with full removal of the glue as if you were simply repainting the surface and needed a smooth surface.
Set yourself apart from the masses and you will profit in the long run!

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Kent Dec-02-00, 02:20 PM (EST)

33. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

>I am not sure if the
>people posting on this board
>have a "i am right,
>you are wrong attitude" or
>if they simply value their
>name in the business. If
>a customer tells you they
>want the wall paper left
>on, aren't willing to pay
>to have it removed, and
>don't have the time for
>it to removed, and then
>come a couple of months
>down the road - the
>paper starts to peel or
>the texture starts to crack,
>I suspect you will be
>the one at fault. They
>will not go around telling
>everyone that they were the
>ones who didn't want it
>taken down, that they were
>to cheap to have it
>removed or just didn't "have
>the time". More likely they
>will just say you did
>a crappy job. In fact
>people usually hire a professional
>because they feel they have
>a level of experience that
>the average person may not
>have in a particular subject.
>And if you stand behind
>your name you don't get
>involved with people who don't
>want it done the right
>way, all it does is
>ruin a name that you
>probably have spent a lot
>of time and money building
>up. Heres a marketing fact
>- for every one disatisfied
>customer you have - they
>tell five more, those five
>tell five more and so
>on and so on. Most
>people that are willing to
>pay to have a job
>done are also wanting it
>done right. My advise in
>time restraints - explain why
>you need another day to
>do it "right" There are
>a million fly by night
>companies willing to do anything
>for the almighty buck, set
>yourself apart.
>In the case of the job
>which started this debate, I
>don't know the size of
>your job but stripping wallpaper
>won't add a whole lot
>of time, I would say
>you probably wouldn't even have
>to concern yourself with full
>removal of the glue as
>if you were simply repainting
>the surface and needed a
>smooth surface.
>
>Set yourself apart from the masses
>and you will profit in
>the long run!
Hi Megan,
be careful, you also need to advise that if you don't remove all the glue and apply primer, your surface might crackle. If that's the finish you are going for then that's ok.
Or should I indict you for having made a mistake: Should I tell you that you are primitive? Should I hint you don't know what you are talking about? Should I blatantly accuse you of doing a crime against humanity?
Would that not say a lot about my character?
If I have read the previous posts correctly we were talking about texturing. Now suddenly remarks come yep, you really could do it, it has been done, etc. I believe the posters who originally answered, were referring to texture.

As we have learned in the meantime "masters" have done it also and even used linen according to Don. Was the linen not applied with gesso? What is Gesso? Oh yeah white water paint of sorts with a binder of glue or gelatin. Gesso sotile for one and gesso grosso the other. Was the paper at that time not called parchment? How did they produce this parchment? Should that not be our calling to learn about these things? Should we not use our time learning rather then indicting?
Would this not be a wonderful opportunity to elaborate on a post?
I need to ask myself what is it about us to indict so readily. Is this indicative of our character, the faux finishers or the Americans? Should we just step back and exchange experiences? We might learn something.
We are very fortunate that some of the posters were trained in Europe and are actually from Europe and still go back to train themselves. I wonder why Nicola does not drop in any longer? Did some of you not indict him too?
Don't we know that some of these posters have done faux finishes already in the 50's when they were still in school? Some of us were not even born then. Where do we get off to judge our teachers or anybody else? I seem to remember when a student stated that she was embarrassed studying in Europe because she and others of the group had signed up as being advanced. I seem to remember that our land of the golden Opportunity was not yet discovered when the Arts in Europe were blooming. Is it not phenomenal that persons who know so little scream the loudest?
Anything to try to hide their own insecurities.
Is it not odd, that the screaming starts when faux finishers share the good experiences with a school? These students are consistently harassed. Don't we all benefit if we know which school is trying hard, has a good curriculum and is concerned about your art, is innovative and has good teachers.
This board has to many critics, who want to make us believe they know it all, when in fact they don't. When in fact they were to cheap to go out an get an "art education" but who carry a degree in - indicting -
Kent

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Megan Dec-02-00, 02:45 PM (EST)

35. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Kent -
Sorry to have rubbed you the wrong way. I was under the influence that this was a place that people could ask questions, get advise and vice versa. I also was not aware that caring about the name I have made for my company was considered indicting others. I voiced my opinion on stripping the wall paper and I guess I will leave it at that.
Megan
PS - How did you luck out with a husband good enough to pay you for your talent!!!

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Bill Dec-02-00, 05:29 PM (EST)

37. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Megan,
Some of the people who post here change names like most of us change our knickers and it's really hard to decipher where they are coming from at any particular time.You have your pros who do know quite a bit but hold back on trying to display how much they know at every turn and never use these forums to sell anything or promote themselves.Then you have the malcontents who look for every opportunity to bitch about anyone who hurts their feelings because they weren't agreed with them on some minor point.Then you have the nuts who have personal problems they bring here.These are the one's who always want to know what your email is and really get personal under the guise of indignation running their little cons.Then you have the freeloaders who if they were any good at this stuff wouldn't need to advertise their schools and services every time they post.Then you have the ringers and shills who are stupid enough to get sucked in by the cons and the nuts and come around with thier own brand of might is right.
So all in all,don't let em get to ya.If they piss you off,they win.

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Don C. Dec-02-00, 06:05 PM (EST)

40. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Bill,
Love it when you get pragmatic.
Don C.

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Fauxnatic Dec-02-00, 05:46 PM (EST)

39. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

Sarahjsnow,

I have 23 yrs.experience in old nice homes.
If this is a rush job go for it & don't feel guilty for going over wallpaper I've done this before & would do it again if time or money was a problem for the client.The only problem I forsee is the wet texture acting as a "wallpaper remover" in itself & bubbling every where that is why you need to check the paper over closely for tightness ,cut out with a razor blade any loose paper. Then put on TWO coats of an oil based primer Kilz,XIM,Cover Stain,Ect.for a waterproof barrier between the texture & wallpaper.Apply texture however you plan on doing it ...After texture dries paint or finish as you please...Some interesting effects can be achieved by adding Universal Tinting Color to your texture & I could go on forever on this subject of my expertise ....Taking the walls down to their original surface is definitely the right way to do the job ....and I have cussed at those who have painted over paper when I was hired to remove it..butI would do it if asked to tomorrow because I am in a service business & do what I am asked to do even if I don't like it many times.
WayneE

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rtcfrtc Dec-02-00, 06:55 PM (EST)

41. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I'm sorry, You are mistaken. If you could go back and read the posts in question (which you can't because they were deleted) you would find that advisors who recommended questioners to look into books were assailed as non-professionals because they had not taken a "course" in faux finishing.

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rtcfrtc (part 2) Dec-02-00, 07:02 PM (EST)

42. "RE: painting over wallpaper"

I was responding to Walt:"Is it not odd, that the screaming starts when faux finishers share the good experiences with a school? These students are consistently harassed."
If you don't mind y'all to put the 2 together...

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sarahjsnow	Nov-30-00, 11:40 AM (EST)
"painting over wallpaper"
Can someone please tell me if you can apply a texture over existing wallpaper and then faux or do you have to remove the wallpaper first? Thanks
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Megan	Nov-30-00, 03:30 PM (EST)
1. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
I am not sure about the idea of texturing over wall paper but basicly I personally would advise not to paint over it, but someone might have a better opinion on the texturing over it. I know it is a lot of work but it is worth removing. Are you doing a rather rough texture or a fine one, if fine - then I would say to probably strip it! Good luck!
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	Castles In The Air	Nov-30-00, 11:38 PM (EST)
	2. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hey I agree with Megan, You should get as much paper off as possible. I have actully used Joint Compound to remove paper before...of course the first time was an accident Linda
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	Rob	Dec-01-00, 02:17 AM (EST)
	3. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Ok, here is my reason why you should take off the wallpaper. If you apply joint compound to the paper to achive a texture the moisture from the joint compound will soak through the wallpaper and loosen the bond and it may (probably will) start to fall off. To do this correctly here is what I would do: 1. Score the wall paper with a Tiger Paw (MENARDS or HOME DEPOT) 2. Put 1 cup of Downey (yes fabric softener) and boiling hot water together in a 1 gallon garden sprayer. 3. Spray wallpaper allow to soak 5-10 minutes, then spray it one more time. 4. Using a 8" drywall knife gently remove the paper (very easy to come off now), then when all is removed using a household sponge wipe the walls to remove any eccess glue. 5. Skim coat any divits you may have created and then do the texture that you want. This sounds like a lot of work but really it isnt hardly any. I charge $.25 a sq. ft. to remove wallpaper (no one ever says NO to that price). I hope this helps, it should only take 1 hour to do 250 sq. ft. and even less time once it is started. Good luck and if you need more info, e-mail me. Rob
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Heidi - Faux Academy	Dec-01-00, 07:14 AM (EST)
4. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
>Can someone please tell me if >you can apply a texture >over existing wallpaper and then >faux or do you have >to remove the wallpaper first? > Thanks Good morning, yes, you can do it. I have done it many times. I would suggest however to do it only if you intend to apply texture, not regular faux finishes due to the seams. I prime with an oil base primer ( that's the key) then you apply your texture. Hope this helps Regards Heidi
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	Sarah	Dec-01-00, 12:36 PM (EST)
	6. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Thanks to everyone, your comments were very helpful but of course I liked Hiedi's the best because that is what I wanted to do in the first place but I am not for sure about the oil based primer. You put this on top of the wallpaper before you apply the texture? Where do I get it and what will it do for the texture? Thanks!
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	Kent	Dec-01-00, 05:21 PM (EST)
	10. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Sarah, be careful you might end up in hell with me, heide, christopher lowell, people from do it yourself, window and walls, kitchen and bath, etc. etc. Did I forget someone? Basically you do remove wallpaper. But in your case there is no need, because if I understand correctly, you are not going to "paint over" it but you are applying a texture. If you would want to get rid of the texture at some time you will have to skimcoat, regardless if you have wallpaper underneath or not. I am wondering why people go through the effort to underlay with paper, follow with joint compound and call this particular finish "whatever" and it's then promoted like it's the best thing since "wonderbread". To strip or not to strip? That is the question. You all take care in Heaven. Kent
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	sarah	Dec-01-00, 09:32 PM (EST)
	12. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Kent Thanks for the input. This is what I want to do. Apply joint compound in a heavy pattern over existing wallpaper and then faux with a glaze and ragging method on top of the texture. My client needs this done to his office and I only have a few days to get it all done that is why removing the existing wallpaper isn't an option due to the time factor. These are two small exam rooms I am talking about not a real big area.
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	From Hell	Dec-02-00, 10:08 AM (EST)
	21. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>Hi Kent > >Thanks for the input. This >is what I want to >do. >Apply joint compound in a heavy >pattern over existing wallpaper and >then faux with a glaze >and ragging method on top >of the texture. My >client needs this done to >his office and I only >have a few days to >get it all done that >is why removing the existing >wallpaper isn't an option due >to the time factor. >These are two small exam >rooms I am talking about >not a real big area. > Hi Sarah FYIBill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!" If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes. 2. "RE: Wallpaper !!" I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad. Thanks again for any help, Joy
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	Becky	Dec-01-00, 10:20 PM (EST)
	13. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>Thanks to everyone, your comments were >very helpful but of course >I liked Hiedi's the best >because that is what I >wanted to do in the >first place but I am >not for sure about the >oil based primer. You >put this on top of >the wallpaper before you apply >the texture? Where do >I get it and what >will it do for the >texture? Thanks! Sarah, go ahead and do it. There are some techniques which are a bit laborious to apply. Some of us tear brown Paperbags and paste it on to the wall. Sometimes we use tissue paper( it's called Elephant skin) and it's taught be many schools and it looks great and fabulous.After the paper is dry you prime. Then you paint, glaze, rub, stain, crackle, it's your choice. I don't know if it makes a difference who says what but it sure sounds like it. Pat Niehaus, also called the Wall doctor, demonstrated these techniques on Christopher Lowell shows and a few years ago at the PDRA trade show. FYI this is the Paint and Decorator Retail Association, www.pdra.org. You also can read up on one of these techniques in Gary Lord's book. I think it's the brown paper bag method.The Tissue paper method you can learn in Debbie Travis' book. If you are member of Sali, both techniques were explained in several of their magazines. Either these people don't know what they are talking about or maybe we have a personal vendetta against Heidi. If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you speak. Better yet don't speak at all. If anyone is primitive I would vote for you. You are impertinent or at least habitual critics who assume they "know it all"
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	Megan	Dec-02-00, 00:18 AM (EST)
	17. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	I am not sure if the people posting on this board have a "i am right, you are wrong attitude" or if they simply value their name in the business. If a customer tells you they want the wall paper left on, aren't willing to pay to have it removed, and don't have the time for it to removed, and then come a couple of months down the road - the paper starts to peel or the texture starts to crack, I suspect you will be the one at fault. They will not go around telling everyone that they were the ones who didn't want it taken down, that they were to cheap to have it removed or just didn't "have the time". More likely they will just say you did a crappy job. In fact people usually hire a professional because they feel they have a level of experience that the average person may not have in a particular subject. And if you stand behind your name you don't get involved with people who don't want it done the right way, all it does is ruin a name that you probably have spent a lot of time and money building up. Heres a marketing fact - for every one disatisfied customer you have - they tell five more, those five tell five more and so on and so on. Most people that are willing to pay to have a job done are also wanting it done right. My advise in time restraints - explain why you need another day to do it "right" There are a million fly by night companies willing to do anything for the almighty buck, set yourself apart. In the case of the job which started this debate, I don't know the size of your job but stripping wallpaper won't add a whole lot of time, I would say you probably wouldn't even have to concern yourself with full removal of the glue as if you were simply repainting the surface and needed a smooth surface. Set yourself apart from the masses and you will profit in the long run!
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	From Hell	Dec-02-00, 10:15 AM (EST)
	25. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>> If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I >> suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you >� speak. Better yet don't speak >at all. > >> Either these people don't know what they are talking about or maybe we have a >� personal vendetta against Heidi. > >We don�t know "what we�re >talking about" . > > >> suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you >� speak. Better yet don't speak >at all. > >OK. "Becky" we�ll make a >room for your TV experience. >Advice us more often. Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!" If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes. 2. "RE: Wallpaper !!" I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad. Thanks again for any help, Joy
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	Luisa	Dec-01-00, 11:05 PM (EST)
	15. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	I am glad that Becky is brave enough to stand up to the narrow minded individuals who have an "I am right you are wrong" mentallity. Each situation is different and the timing restrictions, budget, condition of walls, condition of wallpaper, etc, can have a big part in deciding which way to go. The right way may not always be the most convenient way and just like some people like to use gasoline (a potentially lethal substance) to extend the open time of glaze, some of us may choose to leave the wallpaper on and texture on top. It's a matter of choice and it may not be our preferance but we adjust accordingly. Here is my opinion, if the wallpaper is hung well and it is not peeling and the walls aren't suffering from moisture damage or mildew, and you don't have the time, then go for it but make sure you let your client know about all of the options and the possible consequences should he decide to go full steam ahead without stripping the wallpaper first.
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	Luisa	Dec-02-00, 00:32 AM (EST)
	18. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Brush!� What� a pleasure to hear from you again!� What a coincidence that we should be posting in such a harmoniously synchronized fashion.� Too bad we don't ever seem to agree.� It's good to have you back though.
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	From Hell	Dec-02-00, 10:09 AM (EST)
	22. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>>Can someone please tell me if >>you can apply a texture >>over existing wallpaper and then >>faux or do you have >>to remove the wallpaper first? >> Thanks > >Good morning, > >yes, you can do it. I >have done it many times. >I would suggest however to >do it only if you >intend to apply texture, not >regular faux finishes due to >the seams. > >I prime with an oil base >primer ( that's the key) > >then you apply your texture. > >Hope this helps > >Regards > >Heidi Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!" If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes. 2. "RE: Wallpaper !!" I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad. Thanks again for any help, Joy
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	From Hell	Dec-02-00, 10:12 AM (EST)
	23. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>>Can someone please tell me if >>you can apply a texture >>over existing wallpaper and then >>faux or do you have >>to remove the wallpaper first? >> Thanks > >Good morning, > >yes, you can do it. I >have done it many times. >I would suggest however to >do it only if you >intend to apply texture, not >regular faux finishes due to >the seams. > >I prime with an oil base >primer ( that's the key) > >then you apply your texture. > >Hope this helps > >Regards > >Heidi Bill Nov-18-00, 12:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Wallpaper !!" If the paper was hung even over primed sheetrock,it should be at least skimcoated,reprimed and painted before you add any decorative finishes. 2. "RE: Wallpaper !!" I checked the archives but I could not find any answer to my question on whether I had to texture (finish in any way) the drywall or was it acceptable to just prime and faux paint it. I think it would be easier to paint a flat surface but I don't want it to look bad. Thanks again for any help, Joy
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Heidi - Faux Academy	Dec-01-00, 07:15 AM (EST)
5. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
>Can someone please tell me if >you can apply a texture >over existing wallpaper and then >faux or do you have >to remove the wallpaper first? > Thanks Good morning, yes, you can do it. I have done it many times. I would suggest however to do it only if you intend to apply texture, not regular faux finishes due to the seams. I prime with an oil base primer ( that's the key) then you apply your texture. Hope this helps Regards Heidi
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	AmyC	Dec-01-00, 02:09 PM (EST)
	7. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	My brother (who has spent the past 20 years renovating a badly-remuddled 200-year-old farmhouse) says, "There's a special place in hell reserved for people who paint over wallpaper." You may be able to get the look you want, but if you, or someone else, wants to change it down the road and do away with the texture, they're going to have a devil of a time stripping the paper once it's been primed and skim-coated. Thanks, Rob, for the fabric softener tip! I've used a Paper Tiger and hot water and vinegar, but I'd want to get more than $.25/sq.ft.!
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	Hsurb	Dec-01-00, 03:29 PM (EST)
	8. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Amy,I totally agree with you. Painting over the wall paper should be considered as a "crime against humanity" At least once a week I am in contact with jobs that were done in order to make a fast buck at the cost of the next person that is going to work over the same area. Painting over the wall paper I consider as one of the most primitive and selfish way to tackle the job. Rob I would like to compliment you on your intelligent and informative message.
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	Marla	Dec-01-00, 04:52 PM (EST)
	9. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	I'm tackling the same type of project. However, the existing wallpaper was installed without priming the new dry wall (ick!). Will removing the wallpaper (my preference) ruin the drywall since the surface was not properly prepared? Or can I use Rob's method? Marla
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	Megan	Dec-01-00, 07:24 PM (EST)
	11. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	First read through the last couple of pages in this message board and you will already find a section on stripping wall paper on walls that were not primed. Second - keep this in mind - you get out of life, what you put into it. I guess this applys to walls also. You cant start with ground chuck and expect it to taste like filet mignon, get what I am going for. If you want a great finish you usually have to do something to get it! I really feel you should strip the paper and start fresh. For 25 cents a square foot you should just hire a professional. Unless you live near me 'cause I charge a hell of a lot more then that!!! Grunt work = $$$$$$
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	Castles In The Air	Dec-02-00, 02:36 AM (EST)
	19. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Settle Down Now... first for the record I was the second person to answer the the post, before Hiedi (I am not a member of any I am right or you are wrong group). Now for the most important thing. Sarah, what kind of wallpaper are you wanting to texture over...String, solid vinyl, fabric, paper back???? Everybody has given solid advice, In the future it will be holy heck to remove, but that could be forever down the road, your time and money is a big factor, you can prime and texture and hope for the best. Oil base primer would be the way to go for this. Just beware of what could happen and the most important thing is, assure your customer you can fix it. Linda
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	Castles In The Air	Dec-02-00, 03:33 AM (EST)
	20. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hey again, I forgot to answer the questions above about the primer. You can get it at Home Depot, Kilz is the best..you apply it over the paper like paint. It will not effect your texture it is just a barrier to seal the paper from the dampness of the joint compound that could soak through the paper and cause it to bubble and peel of the wall. Linda
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	Sarah	Dec-02-00, 01:55 PM (EST)
	30. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Linda, You have been most helpful and I appreciate it. Boy did I ever open up a can of worms with this one. I never intended such a heated debate. I have taken all replies seriously but my situation isn't as intense. The client is my husband who is a General Surgeon. His new office needs some quick work before he moves in next week. The wallpaper in his exam room isn't fabric or string so I assume it is paper backed. Even though he is paying me to do this, I don't think he will be too upset if it doesn't work so I am going to try the Kiltz and the texture. I will let everyone know how it works. Thanks to all and now maybe we can move out of this topic and help someone else. Merry Christmas. Sarah.
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	Hi Sarah	Dec-02-00, 02:13 PM (EST)
	32. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Sarah LOL...Can of worms was going to be the title of my last post. I tried emailing you last night but it was returned. Please email me Thanks Linda
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	Sarah	Dec-02-00, 01:58 PM (EST)
	31. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Hi Linda, You have been most helpful and I appreciate it. Boy did I ever open up a can of worms with this one. I never intended such a heated debate. I have taken all replies seriously but my situation isn't as intense. The client is my husband who is a General Surgeon. His new office needs some quick work before he moves in next week. The wallpaper in his exam room isn't fabric or string so I assume it is paper backed. Even though he is paying me to do this, I don't think he will be too upset if it doesn't work so I am going to try the Kiltz and the texture. I will let everyone know how it works. Thanks to all and now maybe we can move out of this topic and on to something new to help someone else. Merry Christmas to all. Sarah Merry Christmas. Sarah.
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	Castles In The Air	Dec-02-00, 03:35 PM (EST)
	36. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	Marla, go ahead and remove the paper like Rob suggested (you can also buy a pre mixed wallpaper remover like Dif it is the best) but fabric softener does smell April fresh. however you are going to probably have bad spots where the top layer of the wallboard is going to peel off due to the previous wall prep. Since you are going to texture this is not that big of a problem. You need to spot prime these spots with Kilz or something simular before you texture. Anyone interested in simple texturing examples can see some here. Linda http://community-2.webtv.net/CastlesInTheAir/FauxFossilRock/
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	Frpm Hell	Dec-02-00, 11:58 AM (EST)
	27. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	>My brother (who has spent the >past 20 years renovating a >badly-remuddled 200-year-old farmhouse) says, "There's >a special place in hell >reserved for people who paint >over wallpaper." You may be >able to get the look >you want, but if you, >or someone else, wants to >change it down the road >and do away with the >texture, they're going to have >a devil of a time >stripping the paper once it's >been primed and skim-coated. > >Thanks, Rob, for the fabric softener >tip! I've used a Paper >Tiger and hot water and >vinegar, but I'd want to >get more than $.25/sq.ft.! QUESTION: Have you not read the message? Sarah is going to apply a HEAVY TEXTURE, so it would have to be skimcoated again if she ever decided to get rid of the texture. In the Middle ages the masters even applied in some cases paper to have an additional support.We we seem to Know it all even so we had to learn from the old masters, who came from where..... Conclusion: If we need to bring in expressions like crime against humanity, primitive, hell etc. I suggest all of you stay in your oneiric never never land or start thinking before you speak. Better yet don't speak at all. If anyone is primitive I would vote for you. You are impertinent or at least habitual critics who assume they "know it all"
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	Don C.	Dec-02-00, 12:10 PM (EST)
	28. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	frpm hell, I have come across refences to the use of paper in the past, but it was always applied over the plaster. Battened canvas has been used between the brown and finish coats. What you are suggesting is new to me, and I would like to know more. Can you provide more info?? Thanks. Don C.
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	Meg	Dec-02-00, 12:14 PM (EST)
	29. "RE: painting over wallpaper"
	I am not sure if the people posting on this board have a "i am right, you are wrong attitude" or if they simply value their name in the business. If a customer tells you they want the wall paper left on, aren't willing to pay to have it removed, and don't have the time for it to removed, and then come a couple of months down the road - the paper starts to peel or the texture starts to crack, I suspect you will be the one at fault. They will not go around telling everyone that they were the ones who didn't want it taken down, that they were to cheap to have it removed or just didn't "have the time". More likely they will just say you did a crappy job. In fact people usually hire a professional because they feel they have a level of experience that the average person may not have in a particular subject. And if you stand behind your name you don't get involved with people who don't want it done the right way, all it does is ruin a name that you probably have spent a lot of time and money building up. Heres a marketing fact - for every one disatisfied customer you have - they tell five more, those five tell five more and so on and so on. Most people that are willing to pay to have a job done are also wanting it done right. My advise in time restraints - explain why you need another day to do it "right" There are a million fly by night companies willing to do anything for the almighty buck, set yourself apart. In the case of the job which started this debate, I don't know the size of your job but stripping wallpaper won't add a whole lot of time, I would say you probably wouldn't even have to concern yourself with full removal of the glue as if you were simply repainting the surface and needed a smooth surface. Set yourself apart from the masses and you will profit in the long run!
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