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conniegk May-14-01, 11:14 PM (EST) "Glazing kitchen cabinets" Went on-site to pick up new kitchen cabinet doors to do a light glazing technique in my studio. I arrived to find that the cabinet maker had sprayed them with high gloss lacquer instead of satin oil-base as requested. I intended to use oil wood stain with a small amount of glazing liquid, then finish with a coat or 2 or satin varnish. Am greatly concerned about stability. Shouldn't the lacquer be sanded or removed first? I'm so weary of painters and other subs who refuse to listen and understand when something "new" is thrown at them!   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Bill, May-15-01, (1) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Jared, May-15-01, (2) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-15-01, (3) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Fauxnatic , May-16-01, (4) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Fauxnatic , May-16-01, (5) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-16-01, (6) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Jared, May-16-01, (7) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-17-01, (8) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Bill, May-18-01, (9) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-19-01, (10) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Bill, May-20-01, (11) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-20-01, (12) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Jared, May-20-01, (15) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, conniegk, May-20-01, (16) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Bill, May-20-01, (17) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Don C., May-20-01, (13) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, Jared, May-20-01, (14) RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets, DebB, Aug-07-01, (18)

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Bill May-15-01, 06:47 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Interesting...LOL   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Jared May-15-01, 10:46 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" if you are using the stain as a glaze LIGHT sanding should be ok if you are trying to use the mixture as a stain then of course take it all off what stain are you using with the glaze? (just currious) also if you go over the laq. you will have to wait a lot longer for the glaze to dry. stains need to penetrate most of the time, but the glaze stain mixture could dry just the same as always because of the drying agents in the glaze boy i need more coffee my posts are as choppy as the bearing sea ;>)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-15-01, 12:19 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Thanks for the response. Am using Minwax stain to tint my glazing liquid. Have done it several times before. Glaze does help the drying time. Color obviously sits on top more than if depending on pure stain to penetrate paint. Biggest concern is compatibility of oil over lacquer. With the slickness they are now, I wouldn't even consider going over without at least a good sanding. Since my post, homeowner says cabinet maker is having to replace several doors and will most likely have to repaint everything. Problem will possibly take care of itself before I have to get started. Any recommendations for sealer/protective finish besides handbrushing with varnish? Yellowing is to be expected but will not be a problem since aged finishes are part of client's scheme.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Fauxnatic May-16-01, 07:34 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connie We have finished countless cabinets using a lacquer system & Mohawk brand glazes...product knowledge & technique is everything...it was a real money maker for me because of the fast dry...also ...lacquers tend to leave a "cleaner" finish ...alot less dirt & dust contamination...Fast dry is an advantage.WayneE   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Fauxnatic May-16-01, 07:43 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connie Sorry, I didn't intend to throw "something new" at you...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-16-01, 09:31 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Thanks for the updated info. Still in discussion phase with client and contractor. Am trying to locate lacquer-based stains so current system doesn't have to be re-done. I'm assuming Mohawk is a brand name lacquer-based stain? Do you have a net site or number for locating a dealer in the Southeast? Haven't used these but most willing to try new system.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Jared May-16-01, 10:55 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" I have used BM alkyd glaze over laq. and BM one hour low luster poly for protection with no problems   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-17-01, 08:53 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Thanks again. I did a sample run of oil stain then poly over the lacquer. After second day I could still scratch through. Maybe I've scared client off a bit but I can't guarantee my part if underneath is questionable. She's had major problems with this cabinet maker aside from the paint part so they're back to the drawing board again. I questioned a local cabinet man regarding lacquer-based stains. Says he never uses them because they can only be sprayed, not wiped. Is this true?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Bill May-18-01, 07:16 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connie, What is it you are trying to do? First it's the painters, then the subs. Now it's the cabinet maker or the customer. Also it seems to me you really know very little about materials. A little advice...If you make construction people angry they are just like people who wear white shirts and ties. They will screw you three ways from sunday and you will never know it.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-19-01, 02:49 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Bill, why don't you tell me how you really feel?In order not to make a post so long there is always a chance of leaving out info that makes it a little difficult to follow. Given that fact, I would suggest you back off and ask specific questions in order to fully understand the situation. Here's my best effort to clarify. I have plenty of experience with oil and water systems. I do not with lacquer-based products. The only people involved here are the client and the cabinet maker who applied the paint finish, in lacquer rather than oil as requested. The client wants a soften aged wipe over a painted white finish with a bit of "hang up" in the recessed portions of the moulding. I don't pretend to know everything there is to know about paint materials but know enough to be careful about mixing mediums and guarenteeing the work. Have only dealt with the client, not her subs. Apparently, you're the one who got up on the wrong side of the bed. Or was it the fact I mentioned I was from the SouthEast that irritated you?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Bill May-20-01, 00:48 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connnie, Had I known you were from the southeast I think rather than reply at all I would have just called the FBI..LOL You started the the thread bitching about the subs and your perception of what they didn't know when in fact it is you that doesn't know much. Had you just asked how to do whatever it is you want to do someone might have given you several methods, techniques and alternatives but you seem all puffed up like a frog full of hot air and start by blaming a sub. Not good form IMO. When I lived in the southeast I found that most folks had better manners.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-20-01, 10:16 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Apologies to all...from now on I will only ask questions, pretend to be a do-it-yourselfer and let Bill and the "experts" guide me. This is apparently not the site for comraderie. Since I am booked solid for the next 3 months, I won't have much time to sit at the computer. Thanks to those who offered paint advice.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Jared May-20-01, 12:18 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" ooooh! you are a DIY well in that case, it seems you want to paint it?? I would lightly sand laq. prime with a good primer (shellac is my pref for many reasons) paint with a color latex glaze with BM or other HIGH quality alkyd poly cure time is key.......GL.HF.keep your arms and legs inside the ride at all times   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

conniegk May-20-01, 12:34 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Jared, thank you for your advice. I agree on the shellac primer, good isolation coat. Sorry I appear to be a DIY, though I am not. Sometimes qualified people need help even when solution seems simple to others. I must have struck the wrong nerve earlier. Am sure this job will be quite successful once done. Have done at least a half dozen cab. in past couple years with no problems. Thanks again.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Bill May-20-01, 07:49 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connie, Can we ask the cabinet guy about comaraderie? LOL. I'll bet you will have some more questions the next time he does a job for errr..on you.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Don C. May-20-01, 10:31 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Bill, I've never heard of that happening before! lol   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Jared May-20-01, 12:10 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" one day is not enough cure time ;>0   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DebB Aug-07-01, 09:24 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Glazing kitchen cabinets" Connie, I am a DIY and I want to redo my kitchen cabinets, but I can't decide on a look. I was just curious what the end result is when you glaze your cabinets as you've described.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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